Comments on: Decloaking http://girtby.net/archives/2006/09/03/decloaking/ this blog is girtby.net Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:44:34 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9-rare hourly 1 By: Chris http://girtby.net/archives/2006/09/03/decloaking/comment-page-1/#comment-1477 Chris Sun, 03 Sep 2006 05:55:28 +0000 http://girtby.net/2007/03/26/decloaking#comment-1477 <p>I knew! I knew it was you all along.</p> <p>Do me a favour tomorrow at work and keep the kimono closed?</p> I knew! I knew it was you all along.

Do me a favour tomorrow at work and keep the kimono closed?

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By: marxy http://girtby.net/archives/2006/09/03/decloaking/comment-page-1/#comment-1478 marxy Sun, 03 Sep 2006 05:55:28 +0000 http://girtby.net/2007/03/26/decloaking#comment-1478 <p>The recent identification of individuals from their AOL searches shows that we all leave many footprints on the internet that can be used to identify us if someone really wants to.</p> <p>The other dimension of this topic is how many instances of our names there are out there. I'm more worried about being mis-identified as another person with the same name as me.</p> <p>Will this make you more thoughtful about what you publish?</p> The recent identification of individuals from their AOL searches shows that we all leave many footprints on the internet that can be used to identify us if someone really wants to.

The other dimension of this topic is how many instances of our names there are out there. I’m more worried about being mis-identified as another person with the same name as me.

Will this make you more thoughtful about what you publish?

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By: Alastair http://girtby.net/archives/2006/09/03/decloaking/comment-page-1/#comment-1479 Alastair Sun, 03 Sep 2006 05:55:28 +0000 http://girtby.net/2007/03/26/decloaking#comment-1479 <blockquote> <p>The recent identification of individuals from their AOL searches shows that we all leave many footprints on the internet that can be used to identify us if someone really wants to.</p> </blockquote> <p>Absolutely. It was a very sobering event.</p> <blockquote> <p>I'm more worried about being mis-identified as another person with the same name as me.</p> </blockquote> <p>I guess this is a good thing too: you get the opportunity of plausible denial. "I didn't say that, it was the other marxy". With a very uncommon name like mine, I don't get that option.</p> <blockquote> <p>Will this make you more thoughtful about what you publish?</p> </blockquote> <p>Good question. I guess the short answer is no: I was always very careful about it. But in the past I was more aware of the potential for identity leakage, whereas now I'm more careful about the impact on my real life identity.</p> <p>Realistically I think there is more risk of me making some career-affecting blunder in an email to a public mailing list than here on the blog.</p>

The recent identification of individuals from their AOL searches shows that we all leave many footprints on the internet that can be used to identify us if someone really wants to.

Absolutely. It was a very sobering event.

I’m more worried about being mis-identified as another person with the same name as me.

I guess this is a good thing too: you get the opportunity of plausible denial. “I didn’t say that, it was the other marxy”. With a very uncommon name like mine, I don’t get that option.

Will this make you more thoughtful about what you publish?

Good question. I guess the short answer is no: I was always very careful about it. But in the past I was more aware of the potential for identity leakage, whereas now I’m more careful about the impact on my real life identity.

Realistically I think there is more risk of me making some career-affecting blunder in an email to a public mailing list than here on the blog.

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By: Aristotle Pagaltzis http://girtby.net/archives/2006/09/03/decloaking/comment-page-1/#comment-1480 Aristotle Pagaltzis Sun, 03 Sep 2006 05:55:28 +0000 http://girtby.net/2007/03/26/decloaking#comment-1480 <blockquote> <p>you will need to email me to get the URL</p> </blockquote> <p>Does leaving a comment suffice?</p>

you will need to email me to get the URL

Does leaving a comment suffice?

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By: bjkeefe http://girtby.net/archives/2006/09/03/decloaking/comment-page-1/#comment-1481 bjkeefe Sun, 03 Sep 2006 05:55:28 +0000 http://girtby.net/2007/03/26/decloaking#comment-1481 <p>I salute you for having the courage to sign your name.</p> <p>This comment is really more of a response to the piece that you posted on OddThinking, a point of view that you have evidently grown away from. I thought that piece makes a good case, and I have strong feelings in the opposite direction about anonymity, so I wanted to register them. (Straining at moot gnats is my specialty!)</p> <p>I acknowledge the real fears that whistleblowers and those subject to persecution face. I suspect that I have lately also grown a little more accepting about people who want to vent their spleens, but fear economic consequences; e.g., someone who runs a business whose customers might be irrationally offended by the blogger's nighttime politics. But only a little.</p> <p>To my mind, anonymity on the Web has done far more harm than good. It has allowed cowards to pollute good debate and discussion with noise and invective. It smacks of people unwilling to take personal responsibility. You have only to look at the power structure in my sad country to see how distasteful and dangerous both of these can be.</p> <p>As for worrying about future consequences of past posts, I can only say: I wouldn't want to be involved with anyone, whether as an employee or as a friend, who wouldn't respect my right to possibly different points of view. As for posts that I myself might later cringe at, I would expect such a person to assume that I was capable of growth, or at worst, that I was entitled to be a human being and occasionally stick my foot in my mouth.</p> <p>Apart from conveniently placing most of the burden on others ;^), I must say that having a blog under my own name works as a good sanity check.</p> <p>This is getting long for a comment. If you want to hear more from me on the matter, see:</p> <p>http://www.bjkeefe.com/runts/anonymous-posting-considered-lame.html</p> I salute you for having the courage to sign your name.

This comment is really more of a response to the piece that you posted on OddThinking, a point of view that you have evidently grown away from. I thought that piece makes a good case, and I have strong feelings in the opposite direction about anonymity, so I wanted to register them. (Straining at moot gnats is my specialty!)

I acknowledge the real fears that whistleblowers and those subject to persecution face. I suspect that I have lately also grown a little more accepting about people who want to vent their spleens, but fear economic consequences; e.g., someone who runs a business whose customers might be irrationally offended by the blogger’s nighttime politics. But only a little.

To my mind, anonymity on the Web has done far more harm than good. It has allowed cowards to pollute good debate and discussion with noise and invective. It smacks of people unwilling to take personal responsibility. You have only to look at the power structure in my sad country to see how distasteful and dangerous both of these can be.

As for worrying about future consequences of past posts, I can only say: I wouldn’t want to be involved with anyone, whether as an employee or as a friend, who wouldn’t respect my right to possibly different points of view. As for posts that I myself might later cringe at, I would expect such a person to assume that I was capable of growth, or at worst, that I was entitled to be a human being and occasionally stick my foot in my mouth.

Apart from conveniently placing most of the burden on others ;^), I must say that having a blog under my own name works as a good sanity check.

This is getting long for a comment. If you want to hear more from me on the matter, see:

http://www.bjkeefe.com/runts/anonymous-posting-considered-lame.html

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By: Alastair http://girtby.net/archives/2006/09/03/decloaking/comment-page-1/#comment-1482 Alastair Sun, 03 Sep 2006 05:55:28 +0000 http://girtby.net/2007/03/26/decloaking#comment-1482 <p>Brendon,</p> <p>I think it is possible to be anonymous (that is, maintain an online identity which is different from your real life one) but still be <em>accountable</em>. I know this sounds like a contradiction, but it is basically what is offered by eBay.</p> <p>On the other hand the anonymity offered by wikipedia is almost to be its undoing.</p> <p>There are of course many important and conflicting issues here. Almost certainly clever people are thinking about this.</p> <p>In slightly related news: <a href="http://openid.net/">OpenID</a> identity management is coming to Mephisto. Look for it here soon.</p> Brendon,

I think it is possible to be anonymous (that is, maintain an online identity which is different from your real life one) but still be accountable. I know this sounds like a contradiction, but it is basically what is offered by eBay.

On the other hand the anonymity offered by wikipedia is almost to be its undoing.

There are of course many important and conflicting issues here. Almost certainly clever people are thinking about this.

In slightly related news: OpenID identity management is coming to Mephisto. Look for it here soon.

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