Comments on: Take My Notes. Please. http://girtby.net/archives/2007/07/09/take-my-notes-please/ this blog is girtby.net Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:44:34 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9-rare hourly 1 By: Chris http://girtby.net/archives/2007/07/09/take-my-notes-please/comment-page-1/#comment-1599 Chris Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:48:00 +0000 http://girtby.net/2008/02/08/take-my-notes-please#comment-1599 <p>My hand-written notes are hopeless. Partly, this is because my handwriting sucketh, but I also find that when I'm really engaged in a meeting I am so focussed on the discussion that I completely neglect to put pen to paper at the right moment to accurately capture the decision, problem or action I need to recall. I have to say that making a note of problems isn't something I've consciously thought of before. I also have a nasty habit of abbreviating my notes to get back to the discussion, making them even more inscrutable when a couple more words could have turned them into the Gettysburg Address of notes.</p> <p>I tend to only note problems if they're directly or indirectly my responsibility. If they're my problem, they're filed under action.</p> <p>When I do manage to capture notes on paper, I use a couple of symbols to call out important items on the page. "A" with a box around it is an action, usually for me unless I write someone else's name there.</p> <p>A "*" means something important -- like a decision or a revelation. Duh!</p> <p>I use my paper notepad as a capture device, and reference -- but I've taken to working out of EverNote and Todoist for long-term capture, prioritization and progress tracking.</p> <p>If I ever finish catching up on Battlestar Galactica I'll enthuse about them at length.</p> My hand-written notes are hopeless. Partly, this is because my handwriting sucketh, but I also find that when I’m really engaged in a meeting I am so focussed on the discussion that I completely neglect to put pen to paper at the right moment to accurately capture the decision, problem or action I need to recall. I have to say that making a note of problems isn’t something I’ve consciously thought of before. I also have a nasty habit of abbreviating my notes to get back to the discussion, making them even more inscrutable when a couple more words could have turned them into the Gettysburg Address of notes.

I tend to only note problems if they’re directly or indirectly my responsibility. If they’re my problem, they’re filed under action.

When I do manage to capture notes on paper, I use a couple of symbols to call out important items on the page. “A” with a box around it is an action, usually for me unless I write someone else’s name there.

A “*” means something important — like a decision or a revelation. Duh!

I use my paper notepad as a capture device, and reference — but I’ve taken to working out of EverNote and Todoist for long-term capture, prioritization and progress tracking.

If I ever finish catching up on Battlestar Galactica I’ll enthuse about them at length.

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By: Garth http://girtby.net/archives/2007/07/09/take-my-notes-please/comment-page-1/#comment-1600 Garth Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:48:00 +0000 http://girtby.net/2008/02/08/take-my-notes-please#comment-1600 <p>Listen also: <a href="http://www.manager-tools.com/2007/07/how-to-take-notes/">Manager Tools: How to Take Notes</a>. Mike and Mark's main point: if you write down only the things you should, you can slow down and write legibly. Then they tell you which bits to write down. It's a good match for Alastair's list. What happened when? Who will do what by when?</p> Listen also: Manager Tools: How to Take Notes. Mike and Mark’s main point: if you write down only the things you should, you can slow down and write legibly. Then they tell you which bits to write down. It’s a good match for Alastair’s list. What happened when? Who will do what by when?

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By: Sunny Kalsi http://girtby.net/archives/2007/07/09/take-my-notes-please/comment-page-1/#comment-1601 Sunny Kalsi Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:48:00 +0000 http://girtby.net/2008/02/08/take-my-notes-please#comment-1601 <p>I've been working hard on my notetaking, and found that taking notes has major suckage. There are two things that notes are good for:</p> <ol> <li>Remembering and understanding what it is you're all talking about during the meeting and about 20 minutes afterwards: "Note: Enter base, kill mans"</li> <li>Slowing other people down and repeating what they're saying in a nutshell: "So what you're saying is, you want to enter my base and kill my mans"</li> </ol> <p>Notes are worthless about an hour after they're written. Giving a date doesn't help, because as a <em>key</em> it's not useful (at least, I don't think "what were we discussing on the 25th?", I think "What do we do after entering my base again?"). Any good notes will be all over the place, and will need to be re-written (which I highly advocate, probably in a digital format). However, I <em>do</em> like your Problem/Decision/Action paradigm a lot, which I think will help organise meeting notes a fair bit. I think these three items feed into other systems, however.</p> <p>Notes are supposed to be good for <em>writing</em>, not for <em>reading</em>. You <em>must</em> translate them into another format to make sure the data you gleaned becomes information, whether it's an email, a wiki, or anything else.</p> <p>In short, disagree with the first two points, agree with the last three. Additional points include making a big deal of what you're writing in the book to slow the meeting down and get people to think, and understanding that if it's in the book, you're probably never going to read it again.</p> <p>Amen on PDAs being the anus of note taking.</p> I’ve been working hard on my notetaking, and found that taking notes has major suckage. There are two things that notes are good for:

  1. Remembering and understanding what it is you’re all talking about during the meeting and about 20 minutes afterwards: “Note: Enter base, kill mans”
  2. Slowing other people down and repeating what they’re saying in a nutshell: “So what you’re saying is, you want to enter my base and kill my mans”

Notes are worthless about an hour after they’re written. Giving a date doesn’t help, because as a key it’s not useful (at least, I don’t think “what were we discussing on the 25th?”, I think “What do we do after entering my base again?”). Any good notes will be all over the place, and will need to be re-written (which I highly advocate, probably in a digital format). However, I do like your Problem/Decision/Action paradigm a lot, which I think will help organise meeting notes a fair bit. I think these three items feed into other systems, however.

Notes are supposed to be good for writing, not for reading. You must translate them into another format to make sure the data you gleaned becomes information, whether it’s an email, a wiki, or anything else.

In short, disagree with the first two points, agree with the last three. Additional points include making a big deal of what you’re writing in the book to slow the meeting down and get people to think, and understanding that if it’s in the book, you’re probably never going to read it again.

Amen on PDAs being the anus of note taking.

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By: bjkeefe http://girtby.net/archives/2007/07/09/take-my-notes-please/comment-page-1/#comment-1602 bjkeefe Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:48:00 +0000 http://girtby.net/2008/02/08/take-my-notes-please#comment-1602 <p>I agree with much of your philosophy, Alastair. I, too, use a spiral-bound notebook and start each entry with the date. I usually use a heading.</p> <p>I have found that just writing, even scribbling, stuff down makes it stick in my memory much better. Also, once I write something in the notebook, it seems easy to find, the next time I flip through -- all kinds of weird memory stuff happening that may not apply for everyone.</p> <p>I agree, a bit, with Sunny about writing things up/transcribing the notes. For me, that really helps it stick in memory, and also improves my understanding. But I don't think notes are worthless, and further, I have long remembered something I heard once about writing down directions: never through away your original notes, even if you rewrite them. There is something about the cues that are present when reading the original.</p> <p>Finally, a notebook near the computer is the ultimate backup. Things don't crash nearly as much anymore, but being able to refer to error codes and recovery instructions is invaluable.</p> <p>Ultimately, I wish I could go back in time, and learn how to take shorthand. The one thing bad about notes is that writing stuff down can be distracting, especially during meetings.</p> I agree with much of your philosophy, Alastair. I, too, use a spiral-bound notebook and start each entry with the date. I usually use a heading.

I have found that just writing, even scribbling, stuff down makes it stick in my memory much better. Also, once I write something in the notebook, it seems easy to find, the next time I flip through — all kinds of weird memory stuff happening that may not apply for everyone.

I agree, a bit, with Sunny about writing things up/transcribing the notes. For me, that really helps it stick in memory, and also improves my understanding. But I don’t think notes are worthless, and further, I have long remembered something I heard once about writing down directions: never through away your original notes, even if you rewrite them. There is something about the cues that are present when reading the original.

Finally, a notebook near the computer is the ultimate backup. Things don’t crash nearly as much anymore, but being able to refer to error codes and recovery instructions is invaluable.

Ultimately, I wish I could go back in time, and learn how to take shorthand. The one thing bad about notes is that writing stuff down can be distracting, especially during meetings.

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